Re: Hanging Gardens line of sight examples?

["James K Droscha" <jdroscha@...>]

--- In piecepack@y..., "Andrew" <AndAgainMA@a...> wrote:

> Ga
> TT
> SS    SS
> SSbc  SSd
> TTTTTTTTTT
> 
> a) Visible, of course. But what if it was another gazebo, rather 
than 
> a bed? Would this other gazebo block G's view of the beds?

   Good question.  This was mistakenly omitted from the rules.  
gazebos do indeed block LOS.  In playtesting, we considered a 
gazebo to obstruct as if it were a 1 x 1 x 1 terrace (a 
single-space, 1 height terrace).

> b) Not visible, since blocked by the plateau on which G rests.
> b is 2 away from G
> plateau is of height 1
> G is at height 2
> b is 1 away from the plateau
> Hence the formula in the rules tells us that b is not visible.

   Correct.

> c) Visible, different from b in that it's 3 away from G and 2 away 
> from the plateau.

   Correct.

> d)Visible. Supports do not obstruct view. If a terrace was 
placed on 
> top of these supports, then we would have a plateau of height 
1, but, 
> without a terrace on top, this is not a plateau.

   Another omission from the rules.  You're too good!  At the end 
of the game, there must be no exposed supports.

> Yes, I agree that agreement among reasonable players is the 
best way 
> to resolve such questions. But in order to be able to reason 
about 
> what's visible, the players need to have the visibility rules 
> explained to them.

   Agreed.  The LOS rules are Hanging Garden's greatest 
weakness.  We went round and round with them in playtesting 
and I'm still not satisfied in the least with them.

> So I'm only slightly apologetic for laboring this. But I do 
apologize 
> in advance for any typos in this; I've taken a few pins to the eyes 
> recently...

   Hee hee!  No apologies needed, Andrew.  These types of 
questions are exactly what a beta ruleset needs.

Much Thanks,
James