Re: Hexpack

["psudoman_ai" <psudoman_ai@...>]

I'd just like to point out that the graphics that come with hexpack
(off the website) are Creative commons as well. You are free to use
them as you'd like!

--- In piecepack@yahoogroups.com, Ben Finney <ben+yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>
> steve@... writes:
>
> > There are two different items here.
> >
> > The first is the piecepack system itself, which is public domain.
> > Anyone can go out and make a set for piecpeack (with their own
> > graphics).[â?¦] any manufacturer can make a piecepack set, if they
> > choose.
>
> Understood.
>
> > The second item are the graphics themselves. [â?¦] Many folks maintain
> > a copyright on their piecepack graphics but put them out there on
> > the web with "permission allowed to copy for personal use only".
>
> Which unfortunately means that, for example, I can't take those
> graphics, derive a new work (e.g. a set of graphics suitable for
> Hexpack), redistribute them to Blue Panther, and expect you to be able
> to sell me a set of Hexpack equipment with those graphics.
>
> In that case, we're both stuck not being able to derive from those
> graphics for this purpose unless we can contact the copyright holder
> for a special license to do this, which in general is far from a sure
> thing (even *contacting* someone whose work was published several
> years ago is often prohibitively difficult).
>
> The copyright holder in this instance (Jonathan C. Dietrich) is
> contactable now, which is good news; however, there's no guarantee
> that will continue to be the case years into the future, when someone
> else might have another great idea to expand or modify Piecepack and
> wants to derive from those graphics again.
>
> > In the case of the JCD graphics set, we have a specific license
> > agreement for the graphics that allows us to manufacture sets for
> > sale using these graphics.
>
> I see, so that's not a license to the general public to do this, nor
> to derive a work from those graphics and offer the result for sale.
>
> > This is stated on our website and printed on the covers of the sets
> > we sell. This specific license is what allows us to put them on the
> > sets we engrave and sell.
>
> On the sets you sell you mention that you do so under permission, but
> that could mean anything in terms of what the license terms are. In
> particular, it doesn't rule out the possibility that your permission
> was one that the copyright holder had granted to the general public,
> which was my hope.
>
> > We also have created one or two other piecepack sets - such as a
> > Zodiac set. We licensed those graphics from a different source,
> > under different terms. For graphics we created, we own the copyright
> > to them and can modify as we require.
>
> Thanks.
>
> So it appears in this case that the JCD Piecepack graphics can't be
> the basis for a new work which is then redistributed commercially
> (e.g. selling a Hexpack with graphics derived from the JCD graphics)
> unless all parties involved are acting under specific license from
> JCD. There is no license from JCD to the general public to do this.
>
> Not the answer I'd hoped for, but thanks for responding promptly to
> clear this up.
>
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> Ben Finney
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